Past the Birther Issue – Does Nationality at Birth Really Matter?
Posted by By GeorgeM at 6 April, at 18 : 21 PM Print
Hey, folks, I thought you could have some fun with this one. Opinions? Our opposition seems to be doubling down. Now, they’re saying it doesn’t matter where you’re born. The author calls for a Constitutional amendment. Parental citizenship is simply ignored in the article.
Another current line is that the Obama birth certificate must be genuine, because Hawaiian officials confirm it. If they did, then those officials have committed multiple felonies, unless the Whitehouse.gov image is something other than a valid birth certificate that they claim is on file. In any case, they would still be guilty if that is true, since they have said nothing about the discrepancies.
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Birthers seem to fall into two categories. There are those that believe that Obama is a Kenyan and therefore ineligible to be President under Article 2’s requirement for candidates to be “natural born citizens.” There are also those that want clarification as to the term “natural born citizen” and to develop and enforce stricter rules on proving eligibility for future campaigns.
This article concerns the later. While the ongoing examinations and even law suits concerning Barrack Obama’s eligibility continue three years after taking office, questions swirl around other candidates as well. Those seeking legal clarification and to establish clear guidelines for vetting candidates are also taking aim at Rick Santorum, whose father may have been an illegal alien at the time of his birth, potentially making him ineligible. Members of the birther movement are also focusing on Romney’s eligibility due to his parent’s lengthy stay in Mexico.
But, does one’s nationality at birth really matter anymore?
Another frontal attack on NBC:
Horace Binney Directly Refutes the Mario Apuzzo/ Leo Donofrio Lie …
Does that not indicate a distinction between the “citizen” Ark and a “natural born citizen,” the same distinction made in Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the …
www.obamabirthbook.com/…/horace-binney-directly-refutes-t…
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George, I’d like to thank you for linking to my recent article on what Horace Binney had to say about who is included in the phrase “natural born citizen.”
The claims made by Apuzzo and Donofrio aren’t just false — they’re verifiably false. In a recent debate with Apuzzo, I identified 12 different verifiably false claims.
The Founding Fathers were concerned about infiltration by foreign royalty and power-brokers in other nations. They weren’t concerned about the child born here of immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants.
I grew up hearing it, and it’s still true today: Any child born in America (with a few very limited exceptions such as children of foreign ambassadors) can grow up to be President.
John Woodman, 1 year ago
I guess I should let this Obot on to defend his work.
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
I don’t know why you would even give his lies the time of day!
All you are doing is promoting his falsehoods!
KenyanBornObama, 1 year ago
To help expose them!
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
tHAT BE AN OBOT FROM THE WORD GO PREHAPS HE SHOULD PULL OUT THE IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION AND READ BOTH OF THEM AGAIN AND LEARN SOMETHING.
Ralph, 1 year ago
My Maryland ballot challenge has the proof that Obama is illegal. Perhaps you should read it and get educated!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/86426592/Maryland-Ballot-Challenge-Petition-to-remove-Obama-from-the-ballot
KenyanBornObama, 1 year ago
Yeah, great job on that one! See it on this site, readers, in the Maryland News section.
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
I especially liked what you asked to be done to these traitors. You went straight for the gonads.
Rita, 1 year ago
I am glad you know what the Founding Fathers were concerned about Mr. Woodman, so, I guess you had to have been there, my, you must be old ! How do you do it?
Why don’t you stop your boring mundane little attempts to promote the Usurper.? Fact is we do NOT know who he is regardless of where he was born or who to because he arrogantly refuses to tell us. We have a totally unknown male with his finger on the nuclear trigger, his hands in our pockets and his Marxism in our heads! Oh! THAT IS a good idea. Oh yes, and he is a fraud and forger too.
Ideal material for President, don’t you think? REGARDLESS of who his father was!
Neil SANKEY
Neil SANKEY, 1 year ago
Only verifyable false in your imagination.
Roger Sharp, 1 year ago
In principle I have no real problem with his statement that “any child born in America can grow up to be President!” However, again, that does not pertain to Obama as he was not born in America.
George Ellis, 1 year ago
Then you need to study this, Mr. Ellis:
http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
I have studied it, and odviously, it does not pertain to the Obama situation as well. I stated above-and reiterate-that I have no real problem with the author’s statement that any child born in America can grow up to be President. I fully recognize that my position does not square with the current position of US Law that you cite-ie. the Article 2 link re: Natural Born Citizenship. The same one which has been cited over and over again in courts all across the country-with no success-in the attempt to disqualify Obama. That of course is a different issue. If I thought for one second that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii with a foreign-born national for a father, I would still conclude-as I do now-that though he does not qualify by the strict letter of US law (Article 2) to be President, I frankly would not be greatly troubled by it and could probably live with it. It is the fact that Obama was in fact born in Kenya; coupled with all of the fraud, conspiracy, and criminality in covering that fact up which troubles me greatly, thus my involvment in this issue. That is my position, and what I meant.
George Ellis, 1 year ago
tell everyone to read this::::
http://www.america-matters.org/?q=Obama-Makes-Stunning-Admission-About-Forged-Birth-Certificate
Dana Robinson, 1 year ago
It was already on our site.
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
Hi George:
Thanks for the heads-up-I just posted the following on their website:
Horace Binney Directly Refutes the Mario Apuzzo/ Leo Donofrio Lie that it Takes Two Citizen Parents to Make a Natural Born Citizen!-Posted on Investigating The Obama Birth Certificate Mystery-By John Woodman-On April 1, 2012:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/04/horace-binney-directly-refutes-the-mario-apuzzo-leo-donofrio-lie-that-it-takes-two-citizen-parents-to-make-a-natural-born-citizen/#comment-1170
My Blog Post:
Wake Up America!
On or about March 20, 2012, it was revealed that, on or about 2008, Hollywood film producer Bettina Viviano had been directly told by former President Bill Clinton that the then Presidential candidate Obama was not Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States. This supposedly transpired while she was assisting in the production of a documentary regarding voter fraud in the Democratic Primary, which was initiated after then Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign had launched serious allegations against the Obama campaign for caucus fraud. This alarming information was initially revealed on or about November of 2011.
Sources:
Video: Hollywood Producer: Bill Clinton Directly Told Me Barack Obama Not Eligible!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxGFmWtykqg&feature=player_embedded
Alert: Hollywood Producer Speaks Out Against Massive Obama and DNC Corruption!-Posted on Canada Free Press-By Sher Zieve-On November 20, 2011:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/42552
On or about April 1, 2012, it was revealed that Hollywood film producer Bettina Viviano was interviewed regarding this issue and again confirmed that she had been directly told by former President Bill Clinton that the then Presidential candidate Obama was not Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, along with revealing that Obama’s 2008 campaign violated Democratic Party rules and engaged in improper and possibly illegal actions to steal the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nomination from Hillary Clinton. She also revealed that those Hillary Clinton supporters that resisted Obama’s campaign were made targets of intimidation, which included, but was not limited to, receiving ‘death threats’ from Obama’s people, along with being astounded that the media was not interested in covering the alleged abuses.
Hollywood Producer Heard Bill Clinton Say Obama Ineligible!-Posted on WND.com-By Jerome R. Corsi-On April 1, 2012:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hollywood-producer-heard-bill-clinton-say-obama-ineligible/
On or about April 4, 2012, it was revealed that Hollywood-based digital photographer Michele Thomas was interviewed and during the conduct of her interview stated that Obama’s 2008 campaign had violated Democratic Party rules and engaged in improper and possibly illegal actions to steal the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nomination from Hillary Clinton. She also revealed that her resistance to the Obama campaign made her a target of intimidation that included, but was not limited to, receiving death threats from Obama’s people, along with being astounded that the media was not interested in covering the alleged abuses.
HILLARY SUPPORTER’S UNTOLD OBAMA HORROR STORIES: ‘Allegations of intimidation, manipulation, sudden death!’-Posted on WND-By Jerome R. Corsi-On April 4, 2012:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/
On or about April 3, 2012, it was revealed that Sheriff Arpaio was expanding his investigative probe into President Obama’s allegedly forged documents to then Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s supporters, an action that was initiated after Hollywood film producer Bettina Viviano and Hollywood-based digital photographer Michele Thomas provided Sheriff Arpaio’s investigators with the names of dozens of Hillary Clinton supporters that were willing to come forward with evidence and affidavits to substantiate the allegations initially made by Ms. Viviano regarding President Obama’s ineligibility, along with the circumstances surrounding the alleged voter and/or caucus fraud that occurred in the 2008 Democratic Primary.
Sheriff Arpaio Expands Obama Probe To Hillary Clinton Supporters: ‘Obama campaign, DNC accused of voter fraud in 2008!’-Posted on WND.com-By Jerome R. Corsi-On April 3, 2012:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/sheriff-joe-expands-obama-probe-to-hillary-supporters/
Continue Reading:
http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/the-greatest-fraud-perpetrated-in-american-history/
http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/massive-voter-fraud-again/
“Food For Thought”
God Bless WND, Sheriff Arpaio & His Cold Case Posse-God Bless the U.S.A.!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E&feature=related
Semper Fi!
Jake
WeroInNM, 1 year ago
For all you liberals and Obots out there you can’t change the US Constitution just because you feel like it . And the Fourteenth Amendment has nothing to do with the qualifications of the US President . Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution states as one of it’s provisions A US President must be a Natural Born US Citizen IE Born to two US Citizen Parents on US soil . Your boy barack hussein obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen and there for is holding office illegally . obama’s father was not a US citizen at the time of barack obama’s birth . The man is a fraud and a criminal .
Charles, 1 year ago
Another bold face lie the Obots try to pass off ” Hawaii officials confirmed his BC is genuine” They never did such a thing. They supposedly sent a letter with his BC saying enclosed are two certified copies of his BC. That is NOT the same as saying what he put up on line is what they sent him. The only comment made about that was on their website ( by the webmaster – NOT a DOH official – ) saying he put a copy of his BC online. That means absolutely NOTHING. First because it was not an official statement from the Director on her letterhead , signed by her ( as we saw with her predecessor regarding his “records” ). And second, legally saying a COPY is insufficient. What they have to say legally is that a TRUE AND ACCURATE COPY was presented. They never said that. Shortly after when the Director was asked if what he put up online was a TRUE AND ACCURATE COPY, she refused to comment. I think that in itself speaks more to the truth of what he presented online than a flimsy statement from the webmaster.
omad, 1 year ago
YOU GOT IT RIGHT THERE OMAD, THE ONLY THING HAWAII HAS ON FILE IS THE FORGED COPY HE SENT THEM TO PUT IN THE FILE. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED NOW BY SHERIFF JOE POSSE THAT THE CULPRIT USED TWO TYPEWRITERS WITH MULTIPLE COLBS TO MAKE UP ONE. PAUL IREY WELL KNOWN FORENSICS USING ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR THERE ARE 9 LAYERS OF DOCUMENTS WITH DIFFERENT INFO PASTED ONTO ONE DOC.
Ralph, 1 year ago
You have done such a wonderful job covering the Obama’s eligibility issue.
My question is: Why have you not covered anything about the questions about Romney’s and Santorum’s eligibility issues? Both front runners have publically confirmed that their father’s were not US citizens at the time of their birth. That means that neither Romney nor Santorum is Constitutionally qualified as a “natural born” citizen, therefore neither is eligible to be President. Neither candidate will provide proof of their father’s citizenship at the time of their birth. The Democrats and the MSM will crucify them if they are selected as the Republican candidate. Is the RNC just hoping to say that since Obama doesn’t qualify that the Republican candidate also does not have to qualify?
PLEASE bring this issue up and cover it on your website ASAP, or we are all doomed…
Sharon, 1 year ago
We certainly have covered it, multiple times, even though we are OBAMA Ballot Challenge, not Romney or Santorum Ballot Challenge. We also have a problem with Rubio, Jindal and possibly Haley. Read on.
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
If Obama gets away with it-which to date, he has-and with every expectation that he will continue to-we are already doomed; that is in respect to Article 2′s provision of required “Natural Born Citizenship” of US Presidents. Throw it out the window-it is gone! What are we going to have, selective enforcement of Article 2-just against GOP candidates while the Democrats can continue to nominate candidates from Kenya, China, or Mars even? That would be worse than the situation which exists now with just Obama. Article 2′s provisions apply for all candidates, regardless of political party, or they apply to no one-throw it out! No selective enforcement of it.
George Ellis, 1 year ago
From Neil Turner:
(Start with # 1)
Neil
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From: Neil Turner [mailto:NBTurner@Earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:59 PM
Subject: FW: If you have had enough of the tiresome arguments of John Woodman (www.ObamaBirthBook.com)
The discussion continues:
· John Woodman says:
April 7, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Where did I ever say that I respect or support Mr. Obama?
I respect and support the Constitution and the laws of the United States, facts, evidence, understanding, and the truth.
Second, for a proper and short analysis of the definition and meaning of natural born Citizen, as envisioned by the founders and ruled on by SCOTUS, please see an ‘Executive Summary Re NBC Defined in Constitution Plus 4 SCOTUS Cases’
You’ve been duped, Neil. You’ve been played for a fool, sold a bill of fake goods, and you bought it — hook, line, and sinker.
And you’ve apparently been duped by a possibly-pseudonymous blogger who doesn’t even have any known legal credentials.
Did I say any legal credentials? Fact is, we don’t know anything about the guy.
John Charlton, “founder” of the Post & Email.
Is he a lawyer? We don’t even know that. The guy’s a ghost, a vapor, a mist. A shadow in the shadows.
He could be a North Korean agent for all we know.
The domain of the site he’s founded gives up no information as to the owner at all. It’s anonymous. Does “John Charlton” actually exist?
Supposedly the Post & Email was incorporated in Wyoming.
A search for public records seems to reveal no phone number, no address, no public records information for a “John Charlton” anywhere in the state.
You’ve been duped into becoming a tool, spreading false information created by people you don’t know.
Do you want to know whether it’s true or not? Or do you care?
Do YOU respect and support the Constitution and the laws of the United States, facts, evidence, understanding, and the truth?
If so, you may want to stop spreading false claims.
And if you still doubt that they ARE false claims that you are spreading, then keep reading at this site. Read everything I’ve written on the subject here. Go and read the debate with Mario Apuzzo. Go and verify all the facts for yourself.
The choice is yours, Neil: Stand up for the truth, or stand up for lies.
John Woodman says:
April 7, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Oh — and as far as the “forged” birth certificate is concerned. That’s… well, let’s just say that that is “less than factual” as well.
I spent a total of three months, full-time, carefully examining the forgery claims. Not one of them stands up to scrutiny.
Not one.
I wrote an entire 221-page book on the subject, detailing my findings, and exactly why.
In regard to that, I suggest you refer to this post.
· Neil Turner says:
April 7, 2012 at 9:55 pm
John;
It was that ‘post’ that moved me to write my first comment in this blog on April 6, in which I called it a ‘detailed, laborious, and amateur diatribe’.
Your response that I have been ‘duped’ with my Executive Summary concerning SCOTUS and the definition of natural born Citizen was nothing but a diversionary rant, diatribe, and attack on John Charlton, the founder of The Post & Email, now retired. (You should read it regularly, to get some ideas for some really good exposes of the usurper. Sharon Rondeau, who purchased ThePostEmail.com from Mr. Charlton, does a fantastic job of continuing John’s legacy).
I have read your ‘debate’ with Mario, and frankly I am amazed at the patience of Mr. Apuzzo to give you and your ‘arguments’ the time of day.
Finally, I would say that your herculean efforts to legitimize the usurpation of the Office of President by a virtual ‘ghost’ would indicate that you do ‘respect and support Mr. Obama’, a man who disrespects you, the people, the Office and the Constitution so much. In view of what we all know that we ‘don’t know’ about the usurper, I would say that anyone who gives him legitimacy must have been duped, consumed the poisoned Kool-Ade, or be out of their mind.
In Liberty and In Truth.
Neil Turner
Citizens for the Constitution
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From: Neil Turner [mailto:NBTurner@Earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: If you have had enough of the tiresome arguments of John Woodman (www.ObamaBirthBook.com)
If you have had enough of the tiresome arguments of John Woodman (www.ObamaBirthBook.com) (Mike Zullo mentioned him in his summation on 31 March in Sun City West, AZ), you too can vent your spleen on his website as I have here:
Neil Turner says:
April 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Mr. Woodman;
I have read your detailed, laborious, and amateur diatribes at trying to derail the efforts of patriotic American to ascertain that only a natural born Citizen be seated in the Office of President.
You are a joke – although a dangerous one, to be sure. Please take your stupid arguments and treasonous responses elsewhere.
Reply
· John Woodman says:
April 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm
This is what I love about birthers.
ONLY THEY are “patriotic Americans.”
Any person who stands up for the American Constitution as it is, for the Founding Fathers as they actually spoke — not as the birthers imagined they spoke — and for the laws of the United States as they have always been, and as they have always been interpreted by our courts — including the US Supreme Court — is “amateur,” “not patriotic,” “dangerous,” “a joke,” “stupid,” and “treasonous.”
You’re the one twisting the history of our nation, Neil. You’re the one twisting the rulings of our courts. You the one attempting to make our Founding Fathers say things they never said.
And if the harsh judgment you seek is to be applied, then it is you, sir, who is the traitor.
You call names. You post with an eagle for your image — as if that makes you patriotic. But there’s one thing that I notice you don’t do.
You don’t refute the words of our historical figures of the past. Neither do you refute any of the analysis at this site.
And why not?
Because you can’t. Because it’s the truth.
So you’re an enemy of the truth. You’re an enemy of the history and heritage of our nation — whether you’re clothed with an eagle or a flag or not.
But you can’t stand up and refute that history and heritage, because it is the truth.
All you can do is sit there and call names.
Neil Turner says:
April 7, 2012 at 1:38 pm
First I would ask, how can anyone who considers themselves to be a true American, living under the blessings and privileges afforded by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, – give legitimacy and respect to someone like Obama/Soetoro/AKA???, who shows such disrespect for the people, the Office, and the Constitution that he refuses to disclose his origins and his accomplishments, and uses forged and stolen documents* to obtain and/or maintain employment in our Government? By what authority (Quo Warranto) does he command your ‘respect’? Poisoned Kool-Ade? Have you lost your senses? Are you out of your mind?
* Forged Certificate of Live Birth; forged Selective Service Registration; stolen SS # 042-68-4425, etc.
Second, for a proper and short analysis of the definition and meaning of natural born Citizen, as envisioned by the founders and ruled on by SCOTUS, please see an ‘Executive Summary Re NBC Defined in Constitution Plus 4 SCOTUS Cases’ (www.TinyURL.com/3efjkc3) .
Words, convoluted arguments, and ellipses will not change the fact that we have, known by a preponderance of the evidence, a Foreign National Criminal Illegal Alien occupying the Office of President and Commander in Chief!
Get your WANTED posters here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/88392156
I hope it can help to ‘Make Your Day’, as it has mine.
Neil
GeorgeM, 1 year ago
With your kind of logic (I hate to call it that as it is poppycock) then NONE of the constitution should matter! You need to do your research (actually read) and get it through your liberal rear end exactly what a natural born citizen entails. To save you some time – first of all only the POTUS MUST be a natural born citizen. ANY other elected office just has to be an US citizen. Why do you think the founding fathers wrote it that way? Because they wanted the parents to have loyalty to America too!! To be a NATURAL born citizen it REQUIRES TWO things – One – YOU MUST BE BORN ON US SOIL! Two – BOTH YOUR PARENTS MUST BE EITHER US OR US NATURALIZED CITIZENS BEFORE THE BIRTH OF THE CHILD!! Since the criminal in the WH’s father was never an US or an US naturalized citizen he IS NOT eligible to be POTUS! So regardless of NOT BEING ON US SOIL, he is still NOT ELIGIBLE due to his parents citizenship, which on his PRODUCED birth certificate states his father is African!! (Funny though at that time time period the correct word would have been negro. It has only been PC to use African ((with American)) in the last few decades). One more thing, on the birth certificate the registrars name is U ke le lee – get it folks Ukelele – Hawaii!! And then at the bottom there is a smiley in the letter A of Alvin!! Oh the jokes on you America!1 Thats ok We The People will have the last laugh as he is carted off to prison!! And very soon too!
Samantha Adams, 1 year ago
One more thing – it is an ELIGIBILITY issue!! Not some birther issue and YOU only make yourself look foolish using that word!! Get a clue!!!
Samantha Adams, 1 year ago