Report on Voeltz v Obama Teleconference Hearing Today
Posted by By GeorgeM at 29 June, at 22 : 26 PM Print
Judge Lewis denied Plaintiff’s 2nd Amended Complaint, which requested a declatory judgement. Attorney Larry Klayman pointed out there is nothing to stop him from filing a new complaint with that in it, but Lewis wouldn’t change his mind. So, we have to spend another $600 to do that and tie up more court resources. In any case, the existing case arguments stand and must still be decided upon, too. Folks, we are running behind on resources to fund the case as it is already, so any help would be appreciated.
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George,
From what I see Judge Lewis still has to rule on the initial complaint. even though he denied the amended complaint. Am I correct in this???
Ralph, 10 months ago
Correct. In addition, Larry will file an additional complaint on what the judge refused to grant leave on at today’s hearing.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
Another judge ignoring US Constitutional law . What are these judges so afraid of ? Have the been threaten or are they part of this fraud obama’s plan to bring this Constitutional republic ?
Charles, 10 months ago
Nope, the judge is simply adhering to the Florida Rules of Civil Procedure, which require leave of court to file an amended complaint. Klayman is the one who ignored those rules.
Maybe the solution is to hire a better lawyer, one who is familiar with Florida civil practice.
Jonathan, 10 months ago
The judge indicated that he might do it, Larry tried, the judge refused. That seems unproductive, since Larry can simply file another complaint.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
Rules are rules, George. The rules require actual leave of court — not an indication that the court “might” grant leave.
Sloppy lawyering.
Jonathan, 10 months ago
1. You must have missed what Judge Lewis said in the hearing.
2. Klayman pointed out that he could do it in a second complaint anyway, so it would make sense for Lewis to allow him to amend the existing complaint, since otherwise it would only increase the load on the court system and increase costs for plaintiff and defendants alike. At a minimum, Lewis should combine the cases together.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
And you, George, must have missed the part where the judge took it under advisement, and said he would only not do so if he didn’t think the complaint could succeed at all.
And now we know the answer to that question.
Andy, 10 months ago
No, I didn’t miss it. He led Klayman to believe that it might be considered, so Klayman did right in writing it. That Lewis didn’t accept it still will not prevent it from being filed separately. Since Klayman has the facts and law on hid side, any denial or dismissal would be in violation of the law and eminently appealable. A fringe benefit of all this activity is that larger and larger segments of the public are learning of the total illegality of the AKA “Obama” regime– and if the ruling goes against us, witnessing judicial corruption, as well. Unfortunately, that is undermining confidence in the rules of law.
I noticed that the defendants and you have shifted your rhetoric to technicalities, since you cannot win on a proper consideration of facts and law. We have an illegal, ineligible “President” who is not a natural born citizen and is committing more and more crimes to cover it up. You are not much of a patriot, with your dissembling and sophistry. We only keep you here, for now, for our amusement and to expose your flawed thinking.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
THEY BETTER TAKE NOTE OF THAT DEMAND, FOR THEIR OWN GOOD,IS THIS AMERICA DESPERATE ENOUGH TO HAVE TURNED THIS NATION ON MUSLIM PROPAGANDE?AND LEAVE THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS BEHIND TO BE HIDDEN AND FORBIDDEN TO PUBLICLY PRAY GOD AND HIS BELOVED SON JESUS,IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THE MUSLIMS’S FAITH AND POLITICAL AGENDA,ORDER BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.it’s obvious that the poersn OCASCIO, HAS BEEN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THAT JUST LIKE MANY TEACHERS LEAVING OUT GOD AND JESUS,ALONG WITH THE CONSTITUTION FROM THE CHILDREN TO LEARN.SO THE CHILDREN BECOME BETTER AMERICANS IN THEIR FUTUREReply
Evan, 8 months ago
Judicial Watch? Hmmm, where have I heard of them before?Is this the same oianarzgtion that’s received millions in funding from Richard Scaife? The same Richard Scaife (Mellon fortune heir – Mellon Bank, Alcoa, Gulf Oil, etc.) who bankrolls numerous right-wing causes? I think it’s the same Richard Scaife who funded the Arkansas Project “”to unearth damaging information about President Clinton.”And now Hillary Rodham Clinton is at the top of the Judicial Watch annual hit list?Wingnut Welfare at work. What a surprise.PS – Thanks for visiting my blog yesterday.
Anthony, 8 months ago
Wake up. This has NOTHING to do with Judicial Watch.
GeorgeM, 8 months ago
Klayman needs to overcome the Motion to Dismiss. Assuming he can do that, the donations will flood in like a deluge. For right now though, it all about overcome the Motion to Dismiss.
Jim, 10 months ago
While people are waiting to do that, the case struggles along without sufficient resources. We do thank those who are making it possible to continue at all.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
Why does it need more resources? It hasn’t gone anywhere yet, so why is money being spent?
Andy, 10 months ago
Andy, even a cursory review of the docket suggests that there has been quite a bit of activity, including multiple hearings, motions, etc. There are multiple legal issues to address at the state and federal level, role of political parties, ministerial duties, nature of “nominations,” role of states vs fed in elections, nature of natural born Citizenship, document fraud by Obama, Pelosi, etc., standing, jurisdiction, etc. in what is the biggest political scandal in history.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
But don’t they first need to survive the Motion to Dismiss? It would be silly to pump money into a case that can’t get that far.
There have two main hearings: One on the motion to dismiss. Until we get past that, there is nothing to work toward.
The other hearing was for an improperly filed Second Amended Complaint. Why pay an attorney to do things that don’t help, since they are done improperly?
Andy, 10 months ago
Of course they need to survive a motion to dismiss, Andy.
It would be silly NOT to fund the case, because if we don’t fend off the constant attempts to derail a valid case with facts and law on its side, it definitely won’t get that far.
As I have said more than once, the judge hinted of giving leave, then pulled the rug out from under Larry. Larry returned the favor and will file another complaint.
Thanks to Andy, the Tokyo Rose (youngsters: Google it) of Obama Ballot Challenge. We only run your comments to use as a foil for us. At least you’re more civil and sensible than the hate mail we get.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
It’s hard to believe this is the country I grew up in!!
Billy Norton, 10 months ago
If I had any money I would send it to support Larry Klayman. All I can offer at this time is sincere prayer in Jesus’ name. God Bless America
Chris Farrell, 10 months ago
Thanks. You could also spread the request to other people who might be able to donate.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
I wish I could donate but I simply don’t have the money. But I always hate it when lawyers for these eligibility cases demand money. Given the importance of Obama’s ineligibility on our country, any lawyer should be willing to donate their time and resources to keep this guy off our ballot. Klayman should consider working Pro-Bono at this point. Assuming he overcome the Motion to Dismiss and all present a real and viable case, Klayman will have no worry about getting paid for his time and talents.
Jim, 10 months ago
Well, given that most of Larry’s work is public advocacy and he mostly has subprime clients like us, it’s no wonder that he needs money to eat and pay case expenses. Do you think “Obama’s” lawyers are working for free? Where are all these fat cat “patriot” lawyers with 7 figure incomes who can afford to work pro bono for us? How dare anyone attack Larry for this, especially when he has put in untold hours over and above the meager funds we have sent him?
In spite of all this, we receive money from real patriots every week. All of that and more is used for the case, since we have all contributed personally as well. We have received requests other cases also clamoring for money and legal support, but are still short for this one, so we keep focused on it for now.
You’re right- if this case proceeds, it would be easier to fund. True of others, too. However, the shortage of funding is constraining our activities and resources, which makes success less likely. Our opponents are spending literally millions to defend an illegal faux (p)Resident, while we litigate it with table scraps for financing.
Consider that whether we win or lose, we are getting the word to many people about what a fraud Obama is and how callow and mercantile are his sleazy enablers. They even quoted from this site in a recent motion, claiming that use of publicity of their sleazy activities was an “abuse’ of the court. Like they’re not abusing the court by destroying the rule of law to retain an illegal, unconstitutional, America-hating Marxist.
It is important that we keep at least several cases alive and moving toward the Supreme Court. Just the fact that we are litigating them and the public is learning about them has real value. What we need is for people and news organizations to get this out to as many people as possible. I ask anyone reading this to post word of the case on at least 10 sites/blogs/facebooks today and tomorrow and ask others to do the same. The PEOPLE will need to make this happen, as “our” officials and media are clearly NOT.
GeorgeM, 10 months ago
GeorgeM,
I think the lack of donations are due to 2 reasons.
1. Case notice – Most people don’t know about the case or how badly it needs to be funded. The case needs to be pushed on every blog and FaceBook account on the Internet.
2. People are reluctant to donate to a dead or dying case. If the case is DISMISSED then then donations are useless. If such a case can be brought forward, that is the motion to dismiss is DENIED, I can assure that the donations will flow like the Great Flood.
It should be noted, that such a case can be appealed. But any lawyer will tell you including Klayman, that overturning an appeal is one high hurdle and is very very difficult. If such a birther case is dismissed at the trial level then it is dead. To date, no birther case has ever been successful on appeal. Appealing to SCOTUS is a waste of time. It is next to impossible to get a case heard by SCOTUS.
Jim, 10 months ago
Reminds me a bit of the movies Airplane Two. If one remerbems, there was a scene in which a Soviet style newscaster was reporting the wonderful news of the American shuttle about to crash. Of course, he had a gun pointed to his back. Why would one be surprised at this? It has been made very clear by the media and our benelovent dictator that we will think as he does. Actually, it’s surprising they were able to find a judge that would issue an injunction!Reply
Garrett, 8 months ago